Is it time to update the etiquette for addressing a married woman?

A few years ago, my sister addressed an envelope to my dad and step-mom as “Mr. and Mrs. John Clise”. That is the proper way to address an envelope to a married couple. However, my step-mother was not pleased with being called “Mrs. John Clise”. She stated she has her own identity separate from my dad. My sister meant no offense and was simply following envelope addressing protocol.

I understand my step-mother’s outrage. The tradition of addressing women by their husband’s name seems very old fashioned and sexist. Much has changed since Emily Post wrote her bestselling book “Etiquette” in 1922. I have been grappling with how to approach this.

When a married couple does not share the same last name the proper way to address an envelope is “Ms. Jane Smith and Mr. Brad Jones”. That seems perfectly modern and appropriate because each has their own identity. But how do you address a married couple that has the same last name? “Mrs. Jane and Mr. Brad Jones”? “Mrs. and Mr. Jane and Brad Jones”? “Jane and Brad Jones”? “The Jones”? “Mrs. Jane Jones and Mr. Brad Jones”?

And that begs another question. Do women still want to be addressed as “Mrs.” or is “Ms.” just fine, thank you very much?

I posed the question to the World Wide Web and I saw many iterations, much disagreement and some heated comments. Many women were very uncomfortable with being addressed by their husband’s first and last name. However, many women were OK with it.

Here is what I think. If the married couple is older – as in in their 60s or older – and you know they are traditional, I would go ahead and address the envelope as “Mr. and Mrs. Brad Jones”. Everyone else I would address thusly: For a formal occasion, “Ms. and Mr. Jane and Brad Jones”. It doesn’t seem as clunky to me and honor’s a woman’s identity. For an informal occasion, simply, “Jane and Brad Jones”.

What do you think? Would you be offended if you received an invitation addressed to “Mr. and Mrs. Brad Jones”? Married women, do you prefer being called “Mrs.” or “Ms.”? Do you agree with my suggestion or do you have others?

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I am curious to see what you would say about sending someone a birthday card/gift card and addressing it as Mrs (husbands first name) last name. For the past 2 years, my MIL has addressed my Birthday card as Mrs. (her son's first name) and our last name. I have been completely offended. My husband says that is etiquette, but I think it is a dig. I do not mind at all if a letter is addressed to both he and I if it is his name, but I think on my birthday, my parents gave me a beautiful first name and I already took her last name, that my name should be on the card.

ArdenClise 16 pts moderator

Hi Danielle,

 

I think this is probably a case of your MIL being old fashioned. It is proper to address a married woman as "Mrs. Husband's first name and last name". If she were to write "Mrs. your first name, husband's last name" it would mean you're divorced. So she is following proper etiquette.

 

However, she could address the card as "Ms. your first name and husband's last name" and that would be OK. Or she could be less formal and simply address it as your first name and last name.

 

If it bothers you, I would suggest saying something nicely to her. Tell her how much you appreciate the cards she sends you and let her know you are OK with her being more informal by addresssing the envelope with just your first name and last name.

 

Good luck.

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if i didn't want to be addressed by my husband's name, then i probably shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Just because an envelope is addressed that way doesn't mean you are anyone's property but your own. It just means you are a FAMILY!

ArdenClise 16 pts moderator

Hi Emily,

 

All etiquette changes and evolves. 60 years ago women usually didn't work outside the home so her identity was tied to her husband's identity. Many women appreciated that. However, now that so many women work outside of the home and have their own identities it is time we update this old fashioned tradition of addressing women by their husband's given and family name.  

 

For women who like being addressed as "Mrs. husband's first and last name", they should be allowed to be addressed that way. For women who don't want to be addressed that way we should honor that.

 

Thanks for commenting.

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Wow, I can't believe someone actually posted that when you become married, you become your husbands property. Maybe 100 years ago, but definitely not now. I will definitely not be my future-husbands property. That is for sure. We have a partnership and I pity that individual if they do not. Whew, sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I originally wanted to post my thanks because I was having a really hard time trying to figure out how to address my save-the-dates and wedding invites. I feel as though it is really sexist to be addressed and to address someone by their husband's name. Not enough so to throw an embarrasing fit about it, but still be seriously annoyed. So, I was really uncomfortable about the possibility of maybe having to cave and do it. I am really digging the Ms. and Mr. Jane and Brad Jones. Even if I have to traditionalize it a bit and go Mr. and Mrs. Brad and Jane Jones, I would still be cool with it. Again, thanks a bunch. I was seriously agonizing over this.

ArdenClise 16 pts moderator

@HeyRed, I agree with you about the previous comment. That's a very outdated and sexist belief. A marriage should be an equal partnership. No one owns the other.

 

I'm glad my post was helpful as you get ready to announce your wedding. Congratulations! Good luck with the addressing. I hope you have a wonderful wedding.

 

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When you become married, you become the property of your husband. If you dont like it, dont get married. Its that simple.

Hello Anna,

I'm so glad you found me and took them time to comment.

Congratulations on your engaagement and impending marriage. I hope you have a lovely wedding. I'm glad my advice was useful to you for the announcement.

All the best to you.

Hello,

I'm so glad I stumbled across your blog during my internet search for the "proper" way to word my and my husband to-be's names. I've decided to take his last name, but I am not ok with being Mrs. Man's Name. I wouldn't throw a rude fit if someone sent us a formal invitation with his name only, but whenever I am in control of the situation, I expect my first name to be stated. Thanks to your wording suggestions, when we are introduced as a married couple in 19 days at our wedding reception, the DJ will announce "Mr. and Mrs. His Name and Anna Beth Last Name."

I look forward to reading your blog for future etiquette advise!

Hello Robert,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You are right, writing each name as a unit follows the protocol of situations where one person has a title or rank. It's a little more cumbersome to say Ms. Jane Jones and Mr. Brad Jones, it makes sense to keep each name and title as a unit.

I appreciate you taking time to comment.

The issue of how to write a couple's name is a hot one.

However a basic of names, titles, and form of address is to write each name as unit -- rather than mixing all their names. '

There is an established pattern used for writing joint forms of address when one person has a rank or official title
The Honorable Jane Jones and Mr. Brad Jones
or military rank
Captain Jane Jones and Mr. Brad Jones

So better than: Ms. and Mr. Jane and Brad Jones
Is: Ms. Jane Jones and Mr. Brad Jones

Each person get's their full name a unit and it's more respectful.

Hi Louise,

Thanks for piping in. I think the reason they have you select a title when you're signing up for an account or what have you is so that if they get a gender neutral name like "Chris" or "Arden" they know if you're male or female and can address the letter "Ms. Clise".

That's really annoying you weren't given the option of a "Ms." Come on, how long has that been an option? Forever!

Actually, I don't like titles at all, any of them. I am "Louise", not a Mrs., or a Ms followed by my husband's or my name. I know that for something formal like a wedding invitation, I expect it, but I don't like it when setting up an account & I am required to select a title. The cruise line we often go on doesn't even have a Ms., they only have Mrs. & Miss. Grrrrr....

Lesie, it's so interesting that your grandmothers loved it and you don't. I think back in their day a woman's identity truly was through her husband because so few women worked outside the home.

I didn't take my husband's last name although funny enough, we will sometimes get mail addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Arden Clise (my husband's last name is Mamroth). So they obviously think Arden is a male name and I'm the Mr. My husband loves (not) that one.

Tiffany, I don't think you are alone, even in your generation that you like being addressed as "Mrs. husband's first and last name". That's what makes this all so interesting.

Alyssa, I agree, the gender bias can be off putting and I like that you try to follow being considerate and courteous to all. I don't think the gender differences were meant to not be equal, I think they were based more on where women were at the time. You didn't say "congratulations" to a newly married woman because it could sound like "congratulations, you finally landed a man!"

Back in the day, it was a rare woman who didn't get married right away and in her early 20s so as not become a spinster. Women were dependent on men's incomes before we started to have work options, so getting married early and well was paramount.

Wow, so much food for thought. Thanks everyone.

If it is someone of my generation (I'm in my 30's) who addresses me as Mrs. My Husband's Name, it is a bit curious, but I don't take it personally. If it is someone older than me, I understand that they are observing an protocol from another time and I take no offense. I will not refer to myself as Mrs. My Husband's Name and would only find it truly rude if someone else insisted that I did. I also think it is outmoded to do the "best wishes" to the woman versus "congratulations" to the man. A lot of manners are based, unfortunately, in gender bias and inequity and I try to follow the rule of offering consideration and courtesy unilaterally.

I love being addressed as Mrs. David Nielsen. I take no offense; in fact, I like seeing it written on an envelope. It's cute and it doesn't happen often so I like the surprise!

I've always DESPISED being called "Mrs. Christopher Evans". It was hard enough to change my last name (I wasn't forced, but I struggled with the decision) now I don't get a first name, either? However, my grandmothers all took great pride in being called "Mrs. Stanley Irish", "Mrs. E. Arnold Evans". Perhaps it's how we're raised? Great topic, Arden!